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Post by The Man on Mar 16, 2011 17:33:04 GMT -5
Alright, so, PLO is having a problem choosing what generation to do official league battles on. So here's the deal. We have a few options of what we can do, and as PLO has tried to do since the beginning, we intend to please the members as best as possible. So here are your options.
Keep it in Gen 4. All league battles will be played on Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, and Soul Silver. This would exclude all Generation 5 Pokemon and Strategies.
Keep it in Gen 5. All league battles will be played on Black and White. All members and leaders will have to prepare a team of 6, and raise them all to level 100.
Keep it on Both Gens. Leaders and Elite 4 Members will have a team on Generation 4 and Generation 5. This way, the leader or elite 4 member can use the game that the challenger has to conduct a battle.
Understand that at some point, we'd like to shift completely into Generation 5. However, as Generation 5 is new and many of us haven't yet been able to formulate a good strategy, EV train a team of 6, and then raise them to 100, for the time being it is necessary to choose a plan of action; and it's not reasonable to assume that all members should have a fully prepared team on Generation 5 at this point. So cast your vote here, and let's decide what we'll do.
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Post by NinjaDeathStrike on Mar 16, 2011 17:49:39 GMT -5
I think eventually we need to make the jump. For now I understand using both, but that should only be temporary. How many of you would be able to accommodate a battle on Ruby or Sapphire? I think refusing to make the jump is only going to hurt the site in the long run. We'll be outdated and obsolete.
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Post by The Man on Mar 16, 2011 18:03:20 GMT -5
Exactly. I agree with Ninja. So then we all agree we temporarily use 4th Gen but make 5th Gen our main platform ASAP?
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Post by Pope on Mar 16, 2011 19:01:56 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this up Austin. I have been thinking of this since I brought Pokemon White. Call me a traditionalist, but I rather keep ALL BATTLES on Generation 4 permanently, it's easier to navigate, and to me much more fun. I have done some battles on Pokemon White, and it's not that impressive. From what I have been told by others and seen for myself, there isn't a level modifier in black and white. So, how would battles ensue anyhow? Just wait until your Pokemon is level 100, I guess, the modifier did make things easier.
I like Generation 5, but I do not love it as I did Generation 4. I doubt we will be outdated if we stuck with Gen 4 games; for example look at Halo 3 still being played more in MLG( Major League Gaming) events moreso than Halo Reach which is current, and Halo 3 been out for now like, three years? To be honest , I even thought about sticking with my Generation 4 game Heartgold, and yes I know that's wouldn't be fair to others, and there are more types of certain Pokemon (such as dark, bug, etc).
I am just stating how I feel. I could still transfer my Pokemon to Black and White, but the question is do I want to? To remain in the league, eventually, I would have to if the majority rules. I am not to wild about Generation 5 period besides the storyline, but to be honest, half of the Pokemon looked like a rushed job, and I can tell the creator is running out of Pokemon design ideas. I wish they had created a way for you to battle someone from a Generation 4 game vs Pokemon Black and White. That would have been awesome.
Wish there was a way to separate the league between Generation 4 and Generation 5, but that might seem to much. Nonetheless, Generation 5 is here, so let's go from there. Maybe it will grow on me, maybe not, lol.
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Post by JamesOfJohto on Mar 16, 2011 20:40:05 GMT -5
I made a topic for this a little back, I think it should be both for a while and then about mid summer purley 5
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Post by Shark on Mar 17, 2011 8:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this up Austin. I have been thinking of this since I brought Pokemon White. Call me a traditionalist, but I rather keep ALL BATTLES on Generation 4 permanently, it's easier to navigate, and to me much more fun. I have done some battles on Pokemon White, and it's not that impressive. From what I have been told by others and seen for myself, there isn't a level modifier in black and white. So, how would battles ensue anyhow? Just wait until your Pokemon is level 100, I guess, the modifier did make things easier. I like Generation 5, but I do not love it as I did Generation 4. I doubt we will be outdated if we stuck with Gen 4 games; for example look at Halo 3 still being played more in MLG( Major League Gaming) events moreso than Halo Reach which is current, and Halo 3 been out for now like, three years? To be honest , I even thought about sticking with my Generation 4 game Heartgold, and yes I know that's wouldn't be fair to others, and there are more types of certain Pokemon (such as dark, bug, etc). I am just stating how I feel. I could still transfer my Pokemon to Black and White, but the question is do I want to? To remain in the league, eventually, I would have to if the majority rules. I am not to wild about Generation 5 period besides the storyline, but to be honest, half of the Pokemon looked like a rushed job, and I can tell the creator is running out of Pokemon design ideas. I wish they had created a way for you to battle someone from a Generation 4 game vs Pokemon Black and White. That would have been awesome. Wish there was a way to separate the league between Generation 4 and Generation 5, but that might seem to much. Nonetheless, Generation 5 is here, so let's go from there. Maybe it will grow on me, maybe not, lol. Seconded. |
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Post by M on Mar 17, 2011 9:05:15 GMT -5
I for one do not like Generation 5's wifi setup at all. Gen 4's was great for me. But as great as it is, more people will be coming here expecting Gen 5 as it's the new thing in right now. Some may have Gen 4 and could possible make teams on Gen 4, but they'd be looking for Gen 5.
What I think is that we're too fixated on Gen 4 because of the better wifi setup and many of us do not want to train all the way to level 100, but this way of thinking does not include of the needs of the incoming people. This puts our own needs in front of others. So having two teams for both Gen I believe is the better outcome as it provides the most flexibility.
As both Austin and Ninja have said, we are not ready for Gen 5 yet, only because it recently came out. But by sticking with only Gen 4, the site will be hindered greatly in the long run. More and more people will shift to Gen 5, and if we stay in Gen 4, this site may not last long. Change happens, we can not stay in the past. If it wasn't for change, we'd still be in Gen 1. I understand many of you do not like the format of Gen 5, whether it's because of the new abilities, new items, the wifi setup, or overall the new Pokemons in general, but as a league, I think we should think of what's best for the site, not what's in our own interest.
Edit: Also as a side-note and a reminder. If the reason you disapprove of Gen 5 because you have to level all the way to 100, please keep in mind that we have posted ways to help you get to that level. We can also help provide some support for EV training, like providing Pokemons with Pokerus, or giving Macho Braces/Power Items to people if needed.
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Post by Pope on Mar 17, 2011 17:51:50 GMT -5
All of my Pokemon are trained to level 100 from Gen 1-4 before the modifier came out, so I personally don't have an issue with that. I understand wholeheartedly what M has stated, and agree to a certain extent. I do understand that people will look for Gen 5, but will that be majority I wonder.
I still doubt the site will be hindered if we stuck with Gen 4, and just because it's the future doesn't mean the site will be more successful with Gen 5 (which don't get me wrong, I hope it does if that's the case). Think about it, even though you gave solutions to leveling up Pokemon, would new members consider the thought when they have the level modifier in Gen 4? Some might consider that they have a disadvantage? That could cause a negative outcome of new members. Unless you let individuals use their Pokemon as is, which can be fair and unfair for most.
Some changes are good, but not all. This is a poll, so it is about personal interest in some aspect like anything else would be. Even the best interest of the site can still be of personal interest for those that vote Generation 5 should be transitioned permanently. Don't just vote Generation 5 because it's new and have Pokemon you like, but you know most will.
The generations after Gen 1 have changed toward to make Pokemon more fun and provide choices, which I am sure we agree, were great changes. Something in Gen 5 was taken away, and the simplistic of Pokemon (especially Wi-Fi) is a change that has gone wrong to be honest. It's up to the leadership of PLO to decide what's best. Regardless of what your reasons are for whichever you vote for, be sure to be honest with yourself first before having the best interest of something.
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Post by Silver on Mar 17, 2011 18:03:37 GMT -5
If we just keep both it'll be more sucessful so if we can have a team for both than we don't have to worry about it, because some people will not buy Gen 5 but have Gen 4 so the main purpose is not to import ALL of your pokemon if you hold a spot
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Post by Pope on Mar 17, 2011 18:39:47 GMT -5
Do you think eventually we should transfer over to Generation 5 Silver? There would come a point where either Generation 4 or Generation 5 would have to be the lone standing generation of the league.
Just a little suggestion though. if Generation 5 is the way to go. I say let trainers battle as they see fit and not stick them to the lvl 100 clause of PLO any longer. Yeah, yeah, I understand what's not fair, but I say give free reign and let that be the choice of the challenger. I have seen level 70-80 beat out lvl 90-100 Pokemon before, it was a matter of type and strategy. Like you guys keep talking how PLO will change, and the future of this site, so maybe the rule should change if you decide to go straight Pokemon Black and White down the road. Still 6 vs 6, but I think that is more challenging and unexpected as well.
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