Substitute, limited or not limited?

[Sir Derpington III]

As the title says.


I am proposing that this move should have a limit. What I mean by this is having it limited so only 1 Pokemon on your team can have it.

[Silver]

can we do the same thing with the move pain split? only 1 pokemon can have it and only use it ONCE?

it pisses me off because they heal themsleves

[darkfire006]

definatally

Edit by Neutral:

well thats alittle far silver
if the pokemon has a move they can use it however they want


(Please don't double post, we have the modify button for a reason)

[Sir Derpington III]

May 15, 2010 20:29:39 GMT -5 Silver said:

can we do the same thing with the move pain split? only 1 pokemon can have it and only use it ONCE?

it pisses me off because they heal themsleves

Pain Split and Recover are fine. This is because you can at least hit your opponent still, and most likely more damage then the recovering can heal.

Substitute, on the other hand, is much worse. Since you can recover your HP back by the time it is broken. From there it is re-used and repeated. This is only a huge threat, however, when more then 1 Pokemon has it. Since this makes it so hard to defeat. This means the attackers attacks become worthless. While at the same time the opponent has a walk in the park to sweep your entire team.

[TheShiningGyarados]

Yeah Pain split can be annoying, but there is no problem with it.

[Silver]

i hate it, it can go back to Hell where it belongs "thats just my opinion please don't start hating me"

[Sir Derpington III]

I'm just stating my reasons. It's ok Silver, I don't hate you.

[Dash]

I have nothing against Substitute. I say no.

[Silver]

i know i mean't for other people who can forget to read that little part, it's happened to me sooo many times

[TheShiningGyarados]

I've never really used substitute.

[Silver]

me either

[Mike]

i dont use it either

[NinjaDeathStrike]

May 15, 2010 20:29:39 GMT -5 Silver said:

can we do the same thing with the move pain split? only 1 pokemon can have it and only use it ONCE?

it pisses me off because they heal themsleves

You see, this is what I was worried about. If we ban substitute then we open the floodgates to ban more moves. I vehemently oppose this proposal. I will type up reasons as to why soon, but I vote absolutely no.

[Sir Derpington III]

Pain Split is different. You can at least still be damaged and killed when you use Pain Split (which has happened to me many times before). It's not like Substitute where you can block all hits and recover all your damage and repeat.

[Slayer]

I voted to limit, it is a little bit of an unbalanced move. In black and white, they need to change it so you only attack when substitute is active.